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The Gray Area

The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time.

New episodes drop every Monday. Transcripts of the show are available here.

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What nuclear annihilation could look like
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“The survivors would envy the dead.”

By Sean Illing
This is your kid on smartphonesThis is your kid on smartphones
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A Q&A with Jonathan Haidt on smartphones, kids today, and what the skeptics get wrong about his argument.

By Sean Illing
The science of near-death experiencesThe science of near-death experiences
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What happens when we almost die?

By Sean Illing
The known unknowns about Ozempic, explainedThe known unknowns about Ozempic, explained
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Ozempic has become hugely popular. Researchers are racing to learn more about what it does to us.

By Sean Illing

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UFOs, God, and the edge of understandingUFOs, God, and the edge of understanding
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The spiritual possibilities of alien encounters.

By Sean Illing
Everything’s a cult nowEverything’s a cult now
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Derek Thompson on what the end of monoculture could mean for American democracy.

By Sean Illing
Will AI mean the end of liberal democracy?Will AI mean the end of liberal democracy?
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Future Perfect

Fareed Zakaria on the age of revolution.

By Sean Illing
Life is hard. Can philosophy help?Life is hard. Can philosophy help?
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What philosophy has to say about midlife crises.

By Sean Illing
Americans are hooked on the fantasy of financial liberationAmericans are hooked on the fantasy of financial liberation
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What multilevel marketing schemes are really selling.

By Sean Illing
The chaplain who doesn’t believe in GodThe chaplain who doesn’t believe in God
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A spiritual atheist’s journey to helping death row inmates.

By Sean Illing
Are we in the middle of an extinction panic?Are we in the middle of an extinction panic?
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How doomsday proclamations about AI echo existential anxieties of the past.

By Sean Illing
Why we fear uncertainty — and why we shouldn’tWhy we fear uncertainty — and why we shouldn’t
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Expert knowledge is useful for problem-solving. So is adapting to new challenges.

By Sean Illing
Why work is so miserable in AmericaWhy work is so miserable in America
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The Protestant work ethic hijacked America. It’s time for a new pro-worker ethos.

By Sean Illing
How mindfulness went mainstreamHow mindfulness went mainstream
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Americans embraced meditation. So did corporations.

By Sean Illing
The philosophy of anarchism, explainedThe philosophy of anarchism, explained
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Why it isn’t the same as chaos.

By Sean Illing
What our brain chemistry says about free willWhat our brain chemistry says about free will
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In his new book, Stanford professor Robert Sapolsky argues that free will is a myth.

By Sean Illing
The author Michael Lewis on the lessons of Sam Bankman-FriedThe author Michael Lewis on the lessons of Sam Bankman-Fried
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Why did so many people believe in SBF — and what should we think now?

By Sean Illing
David Brooks thinks Americans are getting meanerDavid Brooks thinks Americans are getting meaner
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Future Perfect

He blames the collapse of moral education. But what about capitalism?

By Sean Illing
Naomi Klein on her doppelganger (and yours)Naomi Klein on her doppelganger (and yours)
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Are we living through a uniquely brain-breaking era? Ask someone who went deep into the “mirror world.”

By Sean Illing
Stuart Russell wrote the textbook on AI safety. He explains how to keep it from spiraling out of control.Stuart Russell wrote the textbook on AI safety. He explains how to keep it from spiraling out of control.
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AI doesn’t have to be superintelligent to cause serious havoc.

By Sean Illing
Democracy is the antidote to capitalismDemocracy is the antidote to capitalism
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A new book explains capitalism, insecurity, and why democracy is worth it.

By Sean Illing
Is the populist right’s future ... democratic socialism?Is the populist right’s future ... democratic socialism?
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Sohrab Ahmari explains why precarity is breaking our politics.

By Sean Illing
The case for reimagining the nuclear family
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You can learn a lot from utopias, even though you (probably) don’t live in one.

By Sean Illing
The new crisis of masculinityThe new crisis of masculinity
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What’s the matter with men — and how do we fix it?

By Sean Illing
How to raise kids in the face of climate changeHow to raise kids in the face of climate change
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Even Better

A conversation about parenting, our planet, and holding onto hope.

By Sean Illing
When you can’t separate art from artistWhen you can’t separate art from artist
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Talking Monsters: A Fan’s Dilemma with Claire Dederer.

By Constance Grady
How “enlightened selfishness” can lead to a more fulfilling marriageHow “enlightened selfishness” can lead to a more fulfilling marriage
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The philosopher Agnes Callard on pushing the boundaries of modern relationships.

By Sean Illing
Are you a good listener? The answer may surprise you.Are you a good listener? The answer may surprise you.
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What we miss when we don’t pay attention to others.

By Sean Illing
Katie Porter thinks Democrats have a confidence problemKatie Porter thinks Democrats have a confidence problem
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The populist Congress member from California talked with The Gray Area about some solutions to it.

By Sean Illing
The media wants the audience’s trust. But is it being earned?The media wants the audience’s trust. But is it being earned?
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Brian Stelter on the fracturing of news, the decline of trust, and what we’ve learned from the Fox News scandal.

By Sean Illing
How Palo Alto created capitalism as we know it
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From Stanford to Theranos, Malcolm Harris explains the weird, dark history of the mythic California city.

By Sean Illing
Neil deGrasse Tyson gets politicalNeil deGrasse Tyson gets political
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Why the influential astrophysicist is increasingly worried about scientific ignorance.

By Sean Illing
Embrace uncertaintyEmbrace uncertainty
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A GOP insider on the Republicans who knew Trump was dangerous — and went MAGA anywayA GOP insider on the Republicans who knew Trump was dangerous — and went MAGA anyway
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A conversation with ex-GOP operative Tim Miller about how Trumpism swallowed the Republican Party whole.

By Sean Illing
What we get wrong about being in loveWhat we get wrong about being in love
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Carrie Jenkins on what philosophy can teach us about love and heartbreak.

By Sean Illing
The profound pessimism of Clarence ThomasThe profound pessimism of Clarence Thomas
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How “the sense of defeat over the Black freedom struggle” shaped the Supreme Court justice’s thinking.

By Sean Illing
The Marxist scholar who thinks reparations are “a waste of time”
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Adolph Reed on why talk about reparations is counterproductive.

By Fabiola Cineas
The cost of reparations
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Economist William “Sandy” Darity and folklorist Kirsten Mullen on how the United States can compensate Black Americans.

By Fabiola Cineas
Want to be happy? Don’t follow your gut.
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A data scientist on what truly makes us happy.

By Sean Illing
Reparations could heal America
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How the US can create a better future by reconciling the past.

By Vox Staff
Reviving the case for reparations
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Lawyer and activist Nkechi Taifa explains why reparations is a policy issue “whose time has come.”

By Fabiola Cineas
What if your financial future wasn’t stressful?What if your financial future wasn’t stressful?
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Financial planning isn’t only for people who have a lot of money.

By Julia Furlan
Setting boundaries is more than just saying “no”Setting boundaries is more than just saying “no”
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Relationships aren’t always easy to preserve. Boundaries can help.

By Julia Furlan
How capitalism ensnared some of its radical critics
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Postmodernism could’ve been revolutionary. But neoliberalism neutered it.

By Sean Illing