File talk:Flag of the Isle of Man.svg
Wrong proportions
[edit]The proportions are completely wrong. This image is 10:7 instead of the expected 2:1. Urhixidur 05:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- http://www.flags.net/ISMA.htm says it is 1:2, government has their image at 10:7, but no text. Zscout370 03:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- According to Znamierowski's World Encyclopedia of Flags, Lorenz Books, 1999, the Isle of Man civil ensign is (since 1971) a 1:2 red ensign with the Man badge. That is to say, a red flag with the Union Jack in its top hoist quarter, and the triskelion in the middle of the fly half. The national flag is the red flag with just the triskelion, in 1:2 proportions (introduced 1929, present design adopted 9 july 1968). Until we can find a source stating otherwise, the proportions need to be fixed.
- Urhixidur 13:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- Proportions fixed, triskelion horizontally centered, but vertical centering merely eyeballed from FOTW img & dimensions/scale (and construction, probably) of triskelion still probably all imperfect. Will address all in due time if nobody beats me to it. ¦ Reisio 18:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Grey colour missing
[edit]This image misses the grey colour in the Triskelion. Some portions that are white, should be grey. - Quistnix 16:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Centering
[edit]Continuing the discussion from my talk page here. Fry1989, why do you think the triskelion should be centered based on its top and bottom edges? Both FotW and VM suggest the point where the legs meet should be in the center of the flag (though I couldn't find any official sources for either centering method). SiBr4 (talk) 20:14, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- I've said why twice, I shouldn't have to say it a third time. Fry1989 eh? 19:53, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Fry1989: You said "for me the integrity of the image is more important" and "it doesn't quite look right", both completely subjective, without any explanation why you think the current file looks better. Do you happen to have any sources that support the current centering of the triskelion? SiBr4 (talk) 20:44, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
- "It doesn't look right" may be subjective but the matter of whether it's in the middle of the flag or not is not. Centering it the way you are, the triskelion is off. Fry1989 eh? 04:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Do you have sources that say the triskelion should be in the exact center of the flag? Again, I centered it as described on FotW, according to which the point where the legs meet should be in the middle of the flag, i.e. an imaginary circle around the triskelion is centered (not a rectangle as in the current version). SiBr4 (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Fry1989: If you're not going to reply I see no reason not to revert back. SiBr4 (talk) 09:40, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
- I have told you why plenty of times and if you don't care for the answer that is your problem, but if you revert the file I will demand it be protected. Fry1989 eh? 17:31, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
- Your only reasoning is your personal opinion ("the triskelion is off" is subjective too). Both centering methods are equally valid; in the current image a rectangle around the triskelion would be exactly centered on the flag, while in the sourced image a circle around the triskelion would. SiBr4 (talk) 23:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
- I have told you why plenty of times and if you don't care for the answer that is your problem, but if you revert the file I will demand it be protected. Fry1989 eh? 17:31, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
- "It doesn't look right" may be subjective but the matter of whether it's in the middle of the flag or not is not. Centering it the way you are, the triskelion is off. Fry1989 eh? 04:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Fry1989: You said "for me the integrity of the image is more important" and "it doesn't quite look right", both completely subjective, without any explanation why you think the current file looks better. Do you happen to have any sources that support the current centering of the triskelion? SiBr4 (talk) 20:44, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
- I'm just going to leave these here so unbiased people can visually compare the two images and understand why I am concerned that the style of centering based on the imaginary circle created by the legs is not correct. Fry1989 eh? 02:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- To visually show how both are centered, and to show that both are valid (but not necessarily correct), I uploaded another image. SiBr4 (talk) 07:34, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- Images moved to next section. SiBr4 (talk) 19:35, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Centering Pt. 2
[edit]![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_Isle_of_Man_%28comparison%29.svg/360px-Flag_of_the_Isle_of_Man_%28comparison%29.svg.png)
Starting a new discussion split from the AN/UP thread. This section should not discuss any user's behavior, but just which of the two versions should be used, whether the separate upload should be kept, whether the sources are reliable, etc. SiBr4 (talk) 19:35, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
A hopefully neutral introduction for anyone who came to this section directly. On 13 October 2013 I overwrote File:Flag of the Isle of Man.svg with a version with a reduced code and a differently centered triskelion (the three-legged symbol in the center of the flag). The previous version, uploaded 18 February 2013 by Fry1989, centered the emblem using the "align and distribute" tool in Inkscape, which had the effect of an imaginary rectangle touching the edges of the triskelion being exactly centered (left file in the comparison to the right). My new version put the yellow part where the legs meet in the center of the flag, or equivalently a circle around the triskelion, as described at Flags of the World (which references the book "British Flags and Emblems" by Graham Bartram). For the image this means that the triskelion is 5.3% of the flag height lower than formerly.
After a mini-revert war and an ongoing thread at AN there's still no agreement as for which of the two flag files should be kept: the unsourced previous version using the "rectangular" centering method or the FotW-sourced new version using the "circular" centering. SiBr4 (talk) 19:58, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
- Would you care to explain why you have moved my comment as an "edit conflict" when your second post wasn't for 19 minutes after mine? Fry1989 eh? 20:05, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
- I thought it's appropriate for an introduction to precede any comments on the issue. I started writing it before you posted your comment, hence the edit conflict template. SiBr4 (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) Absent of any official construction sheet from the Manx Government, both files with the two alternative styles of centering the triskelion should be kept. Fry1989 eh? 19:39, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
- Both may be kept, but when it comes to which version should be used, I think any source is better than no source. To make a judgement on how official the source is, it would help if somebody who has access to a copy of Graham Bartram's book could comment here. SiBr4 (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
The Manx flag appears on p. 11 of Graham Bartram's British Flags and Emblems (2004). No construction sheet or construction details are given, nor can I find any source cited. From the image there, it looks to me as though the triskelion is somewhere between SiBr4's and Fry1989's versions: the distance from the top is definitely greater than that from the bottom, but the point where the legs meet appears to be very slightly above the midpoint of the flag. The reference to Bartram's book at FOTW seems to apply only to the statement that "the Triskellion is positioned slightly below the horizontal centreline" and not to the entire construction sheet, which is unsourced. It might be desirable at this stage to contact the Flag Institute directly for a (possibly) more authoritative statement. Alkari (?), 11 April 2014, 23:06 UTC
- Thanks Alkari for that. I've analyzed the Flag Institute's image and it's about halfway between rectangular and circular, but slightly closer to the latter (a distance of 4.1% and 3.7% of the height respectively). I'll consider asking them about the flag. SiBr4 (talk) 09:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Request for comment
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Valid
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- …and remove…
== {{int:license-header}} ==
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–Be..anyone (talk) 02:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- May I ask how moving the licensing information to the permission field is a definitive improvement and not a matter of taste? FDMS 4 02:06, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- PD is no license, and apart from that a matter of taste, yes: For the future COM:MRD business as much info as possible in {{Information}}, as the name says. But {{Location}} and/or {{Object location}} would still need their special "ummediately after {{Information}}" place.<shrug /> –Be..anyone (talk) 02:23, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Be..anyone: editprotection lowered. --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, updated. –Be..anyone (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
- PD is no license, and apart from that a matter of taste, yes: For the future COM:MRD business as much info as possible in {{Information}}, as the name says. But {{Location}} and/or {{Object location}} would still need their special "ummediately after {{Information}}" place.<shrug /> –Be..anyone (talk) 02:23, 1 March 2015 (UTC)