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File:Sassanian Empire 621 A.D.jpg

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No source. Where does the base map come from? Unknown copyright situation. Jcb (talk) 22:29, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are the following:

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Chosroes II continues his victorious career, conquering Egypt and Asia Minor and occupying both Alexandria and also Chaceldon across the Bosporus from Constinanople.[2]

[3]In this campaign the Persians broke through Byzantiums's eastern provinces; in 609, they reached Chaceldon, directly facing the capital, and their triumphal progress, far more serious than before, occupied the first part of the reign of Herakleios.

[4] [5]

[6] Chosroes II of Persia who owed his throne to Maurice, declared war on the muderer of his benefactor. Persian armies were victorious in Mesopotamia and Syria, capturing the fortress towns of Dara, Amida Haran, Edessa, Hierapolis and Aleppo, though they were repulsed from Antioch and Damascus. They then overran Byzantine Armenia and raided deep into Anatolia through the provinces of Cappadocia, Phrygia, Galatia, and Bithynia. Byzantine resistance collapsed. A Persian Army penetrated as far as the Bosporus. Antioch and most of the remaining Byzantine fortresses in Syria and Mesopotamia and Armenia were captured(611). After a long seiges, the invaders took Damascus (613) and Jerusalem (614). Chosroes then began a determined invasion of Anatolia (615). Persian forces under General Shahen captured Chaceldon on the Bosporus after a long siege (616). Here the Persians remained, within one of of Constintanople, for more than 10 years. Meanwhile, they captured Ancyra and Rhodes (620); remaining Byzantine fortresses in Armenia were captured; the Persian occupation cut off a principal Byzantine recruiting ground. After defeating Byzantine garrisons in the Nile Valley, Chosroes marched across the Lybian Desert as far as Cyrene. These victories cut off the usual grain supplies from Egypt to Constantinople. Under Chosroes II the Persians virtually eliminated the Byzantines from all their Asiatic and Egyptian provinces, expanding Sassanid dominions to the extent of the Empire of Darius.

[7]The able Persian generals Shahrvaraz and Shahin led the Sassanid armies through Mesopotamia, Armenia and Syria into Palestine and Asia Minor. They took Antioch in 611, Damascus in 613, and then Jurusalem, in 614 (sending a shock through the whole Christian world). At Jerusalem the Christian defenders refused to give up the city, and it was taken by assault after three weeks, and given over to the sack. The Persians carries off the True Cross to Ctesiphon. Within another four years they had conquered Egypt and were in control of Asia Minor, as far as Chaceldon, opposite of Constantinople on the shores of the Bosporus. No shah of Persia since Cyrus had achieved such military successes.

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NOTE: The sources that I quoted from are the sources that cannot be linked due to them not being available to read on the internet. The sources that I cited and quoted from were from books at my local libraries. Regards. :)

  1. ↑ [1]
  2. ↑ H.E.L. Mellerish (1994) pg. 428
  3. ↑ Robert Fossier The Cambridge History of The Middle Ages 350-950 (1990) pg.175
  4. ↑ >http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/bahram-the-name-of-six-sasanian-kings#pt7
  5. ↑ http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/abna-term
  6. ↑ R. Ernest Dupuy and Trevor N. Dupuy (1970) pg.193, 210, 211, 214
  7. ↑ Michael Axworthy A History of Iran (2008) pg.64-65
  8. ↑ http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/byzantine-iranian-relations

Now I have been working extensively to make a new map, but given my current situation in my everyday livelyhood, I might have no choice, but to settle this to the hands of the Graphists at the Map Workshop on Wikipedia.

Give me some time, but don't delete it outright! I need to present this to the workshop if I want to fix this map.

Where did the map come from before you started working on it? Jcb (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I made the map and it is entirely my own work. However, if you want to know what the map is based on, I will let you know.
It is a variant of this map:
SassanianEmpireHistoryofIran
which in turn came from this map:

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/images/078%20Sassanid%20Empire%20570%20AD%20Map.jpg

My map is a higher quality version of both of those. If you want to know about the subject, talk to (talk). But that is where my map came from, he and I had a talk on Wikipedia and argued over a new and more accurate map which resulted in me making one that was of higher quality, especially since everyone wanted a high resolution map. So that's where it came from.
How did you create this map? I mean the technical steps you took, resulting in this file. Jcb (talk) 19:39, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keeby101 I think you're misunderstanding one of the important questions here. The map you drew your information on i.e. the map of the grey land masses that show land elevation, the blank map you started to add your information to, where did you get that map from? It looks like it potentially could have been generated by public domain SRTM data or other public domain topographical data, but that is the main question that needs to be answered on where you got that blank map? Offnfopt(talk) 16:09, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh you mean that. I got it from the Graphists at the Map workshop. OVer two years ago I was in a major discussion with a few of them and I can name one in particular that did give me the blank map: Begoon talk and few others. I wanted to know how they made a map like these two:
I eventually got the answer from them, a few of them were french speaking, but none of the less they gave me a bitmap, whatever that was and I used that to make the Sasanian Empire map on photoshop. If you want to know more about it, talk to Begoon and the other user Yug (Couldn't link his name because he uses a unique style like Begoon does).
So that's pretty much it. If it is the public domain SRTM data, then I didn't know the first time. I simply got the blank map from the Map Workshop Graphists and drew from there.
I spent probably more time than I should have searching through archived pages, found the relevant thread here. The images Begoon provided are listed in the below gallery, which are from sources in the public domain. Offnfopt(talk) 03:12, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've added {{Derived from|Sasanian Empire alternate background 2.png}} to the file page, Jcb I think this DR can be closed now that we know the source of the base map. Offnfopt(talk) 05:11, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. Thanks for the effort! Jcb (talk) 15:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: resolved. --Jcb (talk) 15:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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