Commons:Deletion requests/File:Figure 36 04 02.jpg
File:Anatomy of the Human Ear.svg predates this file and the raster SVG it came from. Should be deleted with the same rationale as e.g. File:Anatomy of the Human Ear eu.png. Cherkash (talk) 22:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- It is extremely clear that these are not the same image. I suggest you Cherkash, brush up on the deletion policy. CFCF (talk) 23:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- @CFCF: Yes, they are actually the same image. You have to compare the JPG in question to the early versions of the SVG: e.g. this one from 28 April 2009. They are the same but for some minor details. Cherkash (talk) 00:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- So someone improperly replaced one image with a completely different image. That isn't an argument to delete this unless an exact copy svg exists as a separate file. CFCF (talk) 16:20, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- @CFCF: No, they are not completely different images. They are essentially the same: the later revisions were just a graphically improved version of the same earlier image. And yes, an exact copy exists: it's an old revision of the SVG mentioned above: so it's already saved for posterity in case someone needs it. Cherkash (talk) 19:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
- Again, I suggest you brush up on the deletion policy. The images are certainly similar, but they are most assuredly 'completely different images'.
The changes made in 2009 to the prior SVG are frankly improperly performed as they do not constitute what you call a 'graphical improvement', but rather a major change that hardly reuses any of the old assets. Whether the update improves the image at all is contestable, as evidenced by the use of this image in the 2013 CNX Anatomy & Physiology textbook, which specifically chose it over the other one. That a similar variant exists as an old SVG revision is entirely irrelevant and ignores the deletion policy. CFCF (talk) 22:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)- @CFCF:
- Are you trying to be cute here about the 2013 CNX textbook? The current version of the textbook doesn't contain either of the two versions of this image (see Figs. 14.5, 14.6, 14.10). And back in 2013 there was only one version (the old one) available on Commons (the updated one was not uploaded by Jmarchn until Sep. 2018).
- As I mentioned above, the JPG in question and the early version of the SVG in question (from 28 April 2009) are the same but for some minor details. Do you not agree with this statement? So keeping this JPG is redundant: there is already a better quality (SVG) image available, of which the JPG was just a derivative. If you really want to have the old SVG version explicitly available, it can be made its own image in its own right by creating a duplicate with a new unique name. I am not sure this is what you are fishing for, but if it is, feel free to do just that. This doesn't invalidate the deletion request for JPG though, as you tried to argue above. Cherkash (talk) 11:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- @CFCF:
- Again, I suggest you brush up on the deletion policy. The images are certainly similar, but they are most assuredly 'completely different images'.
- @CFCF: No, they are not completely different images. They are essentially the same: the later revisions were just a graphically improved version of the same earlier image. And yes, an exact copy exists: it's an old revision of the SVG mentioned above: so it's already saved for posterity in case someone needs it. Cherkash (talk) 19:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
- So someone improperly replaced one image with a completely different image. That isn't an argument to delete this unless an exact copy svg exists as a separate file. CFCF (talk) 16:20, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- @CFCF: Yes, they are actually the same image. You have to compare the JPG in question to the early versions of the SVG: e.g. this one from 28 April 2009. They are the same but for some minor details. Cherkash (talk) 00:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, I'm not trying to be anything. I had missed that the replacement came in 2018, but that doesn't negate my point that they are separate images, both serving potential functions. Sure, the older version of the svg can be made into a separate file, but frankly standard procedure is the other way round — to make the new image into a new file. But this hasn't been done, so that is beside the point — it's not an argument for deletion at present. CFCF (talk) 00:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- There is NO demonstrated need for the old image on any of the wiki projects. If there were, interested editors could/would make the old (or new!) version into a separate file. As it stands now, the old version is preserved in the file history, and there's no need for an inferior-format (JPG vs. SVG) image to linger around. Cherkash (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
This doesn't make any sense to me.
Now, Cherkash, do I have the two images you're talking about here? Because I'm pretty sure that if I showed these two images to someone and asked whether they were the same, the response would be that they are different colors, which means they are different.
If your complaint is that Jmarchn uploaded a completely different (IMO prettier) image a few years ago, then it doesn't seem to me like the solution involves deleting this one. That's a problem that needs to be solved at the File:Anatomy of the Human Ear.svg page, and cannot be solved by deleting any other image on Commons. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- The proper comparison is this: this JPG candidate for deletion vs. an earlier edition of the SVG file (e.g. this one from 28 April 2009). They are the same but for some minor details.
- And by the way, unlike what you suggested, I have no complaint about overwriting an earlier SVG with what you called a prettier version. Instead, I believe there's no reason to keep an inferior duplicate of the SVG's earlier version (which will remain available even after deleting this JPG - so nothing will be lost). Cherkash (talk) 00:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Closed as Kept, no consensus to delete. Similar but slightly different illustrations are not prohibited. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
This file was initially tagged by Cherkash as duplicate (duplicate) and the most recent rationale was: File:Anatomy of the Human Ear.svg
Converted to regular DR to allow for discussion, per Commons:Deletion_policy#Duplicates (JPEG -> SVG). -- Túrelio (talk) 08:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Keep per recently closed previous request. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 17:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Delete, per COM:Redundant. Cherkash (talk) 21:17, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Kept: These aren't duplicates - Thanks everyone for participating and if you disagree with this decision please take it to Commons:Undeletion requests - unless there is a tech issue. Thanks for assuming good faith and happy holidays!. --Missvain (talk) 02:51, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
